Giuliani: ‘Collusion Is Not a Crime,’ Hacking Is the Real Crime, and Trump ‘Didn’t Hack’


Jed Shugerman’s quotes were cited in a Business Insider article about Michael Cohen’s new assertion that Donald Trump knew about a meeting where a Russian lawyer was expected to deliver confidential information about Hillary Clinton.

During his Monday interviews, Giuliani continued to question Cohen’s credibility and said the president “did not participate” in the meeting with the Russians.

Giuliani told CNN he was “happy to tell” Mueller that Trump “wasn’t at the meeting.” Giuliani added that other people who could corroborate Cohen’s account would not do so, and he charged that Cohen was making these claims now because he feels the criminal investigation closing in on him.

Of Giuliani’s claim that collusion is not a crime, Jed Shugerman, a Fordham University law professor, wrote in Slate that while Trump’s approval of the meeting would not in and of itself be incriminating, subsequent conduct could point to a conspiracy to defraud the US or obstruction of justice, and that any such conduct could be prosecuted.

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